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Access Date: November 15, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 616
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | F174512 | |
| Grade: | 616 | |
| Model: | 20 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1951 | |
| Run Quantity: | 8,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 1 of 9 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 60,000 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 46,000 (16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI) | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Plain | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 3 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Total Adjustments: | 5 | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 15224.616G1.16S3895.1620M2.O6926.P12054.17J2523 | |
| Data Research: |
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.433 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 180.64 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 69.75 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.119% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 18 (0.23%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 4.71% Analyzing 109 Sales | |
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Research Note: Elgin Factory Serial Lists skip F176001-F177000. However, #F176168 has been verifeid as marked "Elgin 616," allowing this run to be extended to fill the previously unknown production gap.
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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 616
Target Profile: 16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI
| Elgin Grade 616 (All Variations): 60,000 ETP | |
| 16S: 60,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 616 |
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| 16S-M20: 60,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 616, Model 20 |
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| 16S-M20-17J: 60,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 616, Model 20, 17 Jewels |
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| 16S-M20-17J-ONP: 60,000 100.00% 16s, Grade 616, Model 20, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel |
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| 16S-M20-17J-ONP-A3PTI: 46,000 76.67% | Other: 14,000
Other Adjustments or Unclassified |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 18 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · May 21, 2021
Serial Number F169734 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 23, 2021
Serial Number F174136 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 1, 2020
Serial Number F172165 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 26, 2020
Serial Number F172418 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 25, 2020
Serial Number F172418 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 25, 2020
Serial Number F171350 was reported as accurate.
cbzimm Supporter 469 · October 3, 2020
Serial Number F171073 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 10, 2019
Serial Number F170316 was reported as accurate.
Jwatch73 25 · August 29, 2019
Serial Number F173638 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 28, 2019
Serial Number F172389 was reported as accurate.
Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · September 15, 2018
Serial Number F169813 was reported as accurate.
Stark1962 1 · August 24, 2018
Serial Number F172017 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 4, 2018
Serial Number F169922 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 14, 2018
Serial Number F173889 was reported as accurate.
clockingscotty 112 · October 26, 2017
Serial Number F171719 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 13, 2017
Serial Number F175772 was reported as accurate.
lee571 Supporter 79 · December 8, 2016
Serial Number F172999 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 25, 2016
Serial Number F175297 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 23, 2016
Serial Number F175297 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 10, 2016
Serial Number F175378 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 28, 2016
Serial Number F172182 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 19, 2015
Serial Number F175198 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 23, 2015
Serial Number F170810 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · June 24, 2015
Serial Number F170791 was reported as accurate.
arpete 18 · February 17, 2015
Serial Number F174512 was reported as inaccurate.
adjustments stated on movement.
Anonymous · January 12, 2015
Serial Number F170617 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 8, 2014
Serial Number F173279 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 26, 2014
Serial Number F169854 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 17, 2014
Serial Number F170139 was reported as accurate.
Mobilaero Top Contributor Supporter 307 · January 8, 2014
Serial Number F169813 was reported as inaccurate.
adjusted to 5 positions.
I looked through completed and sold listings on
ebay and found many 616's )ser. no.s from F to S
runs). All were 5 pos. adjustments and some 6. I
think there is allot of confusion with this grade
:). I haven't seen a lever set but I'm guessing
they did have them to market to railroaders. I
also have an Eglin material grade catalog from
1950 that ends with the J series serial nos.
showing no grade 616. I believe that same year
they started making the 616 using F to start the
runs. Their use of letters to start serial numbers
seems to have no rhyme or reason to it lol !! Hope
the info helps and keep up the great work you do
at this site!!
Paul
Anonymous · December 24, 2013
Serial Number F175680 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · December 1, 2013
Serial Number F175573 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 15, 2013
Serial Number F174936 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · October 31, 2013
Serial Number F174936 was reported as inaccurate.
is marked 5 Adjustments.
Anonymous · October 19, 2013
Serial Number F169273 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 15, 2013
Serial Number F169273 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · March 25, 2013
Serial Number F174686 was reported as inaccurate.
accurate.
Anonymous · January 13, 2013
Serial Number F175636 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 16, 2012
Serial Number F174602 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 13, 2012
Serial Number F175008 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 3, 2012
Serial Number F173782 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · September 29, 2012
Serial Number F174180 was reported as accurate.
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