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Access Date: November 14, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 125
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 4785597 | |
| Grade: | 125 | |
| Model: | 3 | |
| Class: | 4 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1893 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 4 of 7 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 13,000 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 9,000 (18S-M3-17J) | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 17j | |
| Jewel Setting: | Screw-Set | |
| Movement Configuration: | Hunting | |
| Movement Finish: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Moseley | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | No | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 1871.125G4.18S1098.183M186.H1480.L883.17J17 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.433 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 39.14 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 15.07 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.026% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 7 (0.70%) | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 125
Target Profile: 18S-M3-17J-HGL-A
| Elgin Grade 125 (All Variations): 13,000 ETP | |
| 18S: 13,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 125 |
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| 18S-M3: 13,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 125, Model 3 |
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| 18S-M3-17J: 9,000 69.23% 18s, Grade 125, Model 3, 17 Jewels |
Other: 4,000
Other Jewels or Unclassified |
| 18S-M3-17J-HGL: 9,000 69.23% 18s, Grade 125, Model 3, 17 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Gilt |
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| 18S-M3-17J-HGL-A: 9,000 69.23% | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 7 watches in the population registry for this run with 1 image.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Rcardkidz 4054 · March 12, 2024
Serial Number 4785672 was reported as accurate.
bigbadgreen 10 · August 29, 2018
Serial Number 4785728 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 4, 2016
Serial Number 4785359 was reported as accurate.
rnfwatch Supporter 127 · December 5, 2013
Serial Number 4785597 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Correction, there is a center jewel pair. Did not
see it initially, but see it now that movement is
cleaned. This is a true 17J movement. Sorry for
initial observation error. However, database note
of 15J is incorrect, and given the small total
production, unlikely a modification that was not
recorded as a different grade.
see it initially, but see it now that movement is
cleaned. This is a true 17J movement. Sorry for
initial observation error. However, database note
of 15J is incorrect, and given the small total
production, unlikely a modification that was not
recorded as a different grade.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
rnfwatch Supporter 127 · December 5, 2013
Serial Number 4785597 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Marked "17 Jewels" on serial number matched
original barrel bridge. Also marked "Adjusted"
below "17 Jewels" on barrel bridge. Both markings
are Elgin factory-correct lettering with
characteristic hook on bottom of "7". However,
when I disassembled to repair & clean, confirmed
there are only 15 jewels (no center jewel pair).
Very curious. Back plate marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch
Co." and "Safety Pinion".
original barrel bridge. Also marked "Adjusted"
below "17 Jewels" on barrel bridge. Both markings
are Elgin factory-correct lettering with
characteristic hook on bottom of "7". However,
when I disassembled to repair & clean, confirmed
there are only 15 jewels (no center jewel pair).
Very curious. Back plate marked "Elgin Nat'l Watch
Co." and "Safety Pinion".
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
rnfwatch Supporter 127 · December 5, 2013
Serial Number 4785597 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
rnfwatch Supporter 127 · December 5, 2013
Serial Number 4785597 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
rnfwatch Supporter 127 · December 5, 2013
Serial Number 4785597 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 15j to 17j
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