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Access Date: November 15, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 581
U.S. Army
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 41165401 | |
| Grade: | 581 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 15 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1940 | |
| Run Quantity: | 3,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 7 of 9 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 20,800 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 14,000 (16S-M15-22J-OFP) | |
| Size: | 16s | |
| Jewels: | 22j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Gold Flashed | |
| Movement Setting: | Pendant | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Ball | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade: | No | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 14975.581G7.16S3799.1615M345.O6864.P11831.22J6 | |
| Data Research: |
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.433 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 62.62 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 24.14 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.041% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 23 (0.77%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 2.26% Analyzing 79 Sales | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 581
Target Profile: 16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 581 (All Variations): 20,800 ETP | ||
| 16S: 20,800 100.00% 16s, Grade 581 |
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| 16S-M15: 20,800 100.00% 16s, Grade 581, Model 15 |
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| 16S-M15-22J: 18,500 88.94% 16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels |
Other: 2,300
Other Jewels or Unclassified |
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| 16S-M15-22J-OFP: 14,000 67.31% 16s, Grade 581, Model 15, 22 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Gold Flashed |
Other: 4,500
Other Configs or Unclassified |
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| 16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI: 14,000 67.31% | ||
| 16S-M15-22J-OFP-A5PTI-B.W. RAYMOND: 14,000 67.31% | ||
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 23 watches in the population registry for this run with 2 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
steve288 264 · May 30, 2022
Serial Number 41167275 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · October 13, 2021
Serial Number 41165345 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This one is marked 21 jewels but is 22 jewels,
also this one is marked U.S. ARMY A.C. on the
movement.
also this one is marked U.S. ARMY A.C. on the
movement.
Curator Response: Thanks for the confirmation!
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · October 9, 2021
Serial Number 41165345 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
rmwatchandclock Supporter 371 · August 15, 2021
Serial Number 41165401 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
rmwatchandclock Supporter 371 · August 4, 2021
Serial Number 41165401 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · May 13, 2021
Serial Number 41165112 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · January 27, 2021
Serial Number 41167571 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · January 26, 2021
Serial Number 41167436 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: This model is a 21 jewel
Curator Response: The core movement features 21 jewels. The sweep second arbor is fitted with another hole jewel, totaling 22.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · October 23, 2019
Serial Number 41167465 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Andrew9000 85 · February 11, 2019
Serial Number 41166780 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · June 23, 2018
Serial Number 41166653 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · March 10, 2018
Serial Number 41167207 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · June 4, 2017
Serial Number 41167122 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Marked U.S. Army A.C.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · November 10, 2016
Serial Number 41167358 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
bwalder 137 · February 23, 2016
Serial Number 41166667 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
bwalder 137 · February 23, 2016
Serial Number 41166667 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
barcar 1 · November 7, 2015
Serial Number 41166774 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Anonymous · October 18, 2015
Serial Number 41166096 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
hubme0 23 · September 6, 2015
Serial Number 41167352 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · September 4, 2015
Serial Number 41166077 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: YEAR: 1942; JEWELS: 22 (BACK PLATE SAYS 21 BUT HAS
22 JEWELS DUE TO CONVERSION TO SWEEP SECONDS);
U.S. ARMY A.C.; GOLD FLASHED MOVEMENT; 24 HOUR
DIAL GCT; HACK SET
22 JEWELS DUE TO CONVERSION TO SWEEP SECONDS);
U.S. ARMY A.C.; GOLD FLASHED MOVEMENT; 24 HOUR
DIAL GCT; HACK SET
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Brycef 107 · June 11, 2015
Serial Number 41165084 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · February 19, 2015
Serial Number 41167227 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · January 12, 2015
Serial Number 41165788 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · September 1, 2014
Serial Number 41167478 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · July 9, 2014
Serial Number 41167374 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · January 19, 2014
Serial Number 41165569 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · October 20, 2013
Serial Number 41165538 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
LeroyC 392 · September 18, 2013
Serial Number 41167331 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: gold flashed,not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · July 2, 2013
Serial Number 41166796 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · June 20, 2013
Serial Number 41167358 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · April 23, 2013
Serial Number 41167358 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Gold flashed, not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · March 9, 2013
Serial Number 41167560 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: gold flashed,not nickel
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
Anonymous · September 24, 2012
Serial Number 41165799 was reported as accurate.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Jewels changed from 21j to 22j
Movement Configuration changed from Sweepsecond to Openface
Movement Finish changed from Nickel to Gold Flashed
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