Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 23784120 (Grade 386)

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Access Date: November 14, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 386

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	23784120
Grade:	386
Model:	6
Class:	109
Estimated Production Year:	1921
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	91 of 108
Grade/Model Total Production:	113,700
Size:	16s
Jewels:	17j
Jewel Material:	Ruby & Sapphire
Jewel Setting:	Screw-Set
Movement Configuration:	Hunting
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Setting:	Pendant
Plate:	3/4 Plate
Double Roller:	Yes
Barrel:	Going
Balance Type:	Expansion
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Adjusted:	No
Railroad Grade:	No
U.S. Patents:	596407, 77078, 585025
Case:	Various
Run ID:	11586.386G91.16S2922.166M1123.H6432.P8705.17J1745
Data Research:	1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.433
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	342.32
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	132.23
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.225%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	9 (0.90%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change):	-10.53% Analyzing 384 Sales

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 386

Target Profile: 16S-M6-17J-HNP-U

Elgin Grade 386 (All Variations): 113,700 ETP

16S: 113,700 100.00%
16s, Grade 386

16S-M6: 113,700 100.00%
16s, Grade 386, Model 6

16S-M6-17J: 113,700 100.00%
16s, Grade 386, Model 6, 17 Jewels

16S-M6-17J-HNP: 113,700 100.00%
16s, Grade 386, Model 6, 17 Jewels, Hunting/Pendant/Nickel

16S-M6-17J-HNP-U: 113,700 100.00%

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The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anonymous · April 1, 2021

Serial Number 23784183 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 9, 2019

Serial Number 23784183 was reported as accurate.

okiejohn 386 · August 17, 2019

Serial Number 23784120 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Prior conversation: This movement is a lever
set...
I've removed the dial and taken a photo, and
placed the photo in the "Dial" slot in the data
entry. This lever doesn't act as a true lever that
you pull out to set the watch. You just push it to
the side to allow the time to be set. On closer
examination, it looks like someone may have
modified it to make it a lever set.

Curator Response: Thanks for the additional information and image. Yes, this appears to be a after-market conversion. Unusual find. Thanks for sharing it.

okiejohn 386 · August 16, 2019

Serial Number 23784120 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is lever set, with lever 1/4
rotation clockwise from stem (at 6).

Curator Response: Interesting find. According to factory records and publications, the 386 was exclusively manufactured as pendant-set. The lever placement is also odd. Have you had an opporunity to inspect under the dial?