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Access Date: November 14, 2024
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 367
Father Time
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 13890069 | |
| Grade: | 367 | |
| Variation: | Father Time | |
| Model: | 8 | |
| Generation: | Second | |
| Class: | 90 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1909 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 2 of 13 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 10,300 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 8,000 (18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME) | |
| Grade/Model Unrealized Production: | 2,700 | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 21j | |
| Jewel Material: | Ruby, Sapphire & Diamond | |
| Jewel Setting: | Gold Settings (Screw-Set) | |
| Movement Configuration: | Openface | |
| Movement Finish: | Nickel | |
| Movement Inlay Color: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Lever | |
| Plate: | 3/4 Plate | |
| Double Roller: | Yes | |
| Barrel: | Safety | |
| Balance Jewel Material: | Diamond | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Regulator: | Traveling Nut (spring) | |
| Hairspring: | Breguet | |
| Pallet Jewel Material: | Sapphire | |
| Standard Dial Type: | Double-Sunk | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 5 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Isochronism: | Yes | |
| Adjustment Tolerance: | [10] 5P +/- 10 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 3 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 0-2 s/24hrs. | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| Railroad Grade Classification: | Class A | |
| Wind Indicator Available: | Yes | |
| Wind Indicator Present: | Mixed | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078, 596407, 596408 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 6301.367G2.18S2751.188M78.O2114.L1863.21J163 | |
| Data Research: |
1909 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.433 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 31.01 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 11.93 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.020% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 10 (1.00%) | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 367
Target Profile: 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME
| Elgin Grade 367 (All Variations): 10,300 ETP | |
| 18S: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367 |
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| 18S-M8: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8 |
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| 18S-M8-21J: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8, 21 Jewels |
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| 18S-M8-21J-ONL: 10,300 100.00% 18s, Grade 367, Model 8, 21 Jewels, Openface/Lever/Nickel |
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| 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI: 10,300 100.00% | |
| 18S-M8-21J-ONL-A5PTI-FATHER TIME: 8,000 77.67% | Other: 2,300
Other Variants or Unclassified |
| NOTE: 13,000 Units Originally Reserved with Est. 2,700 Never Manufactured | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 10 watches in the population registry for this run with 3 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · July 7, 2024
Serial Number 13890209 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 23, 2020
Serial Number 13890146 was reported as accurate.
robq1970 3 · March 6, 2020
Serial Number 13890024 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Mine is an up down wind indicator and does not
have the nut for adjustment, just a plain needle
with no fast slow markings or even grad lines
have the nut for adjustment, just a plain needle
with no fast slow markings or even grad lines
WLBelkriver33 804 · February 9, 2019
Serial Number 13890987 was reported as accurate.
WLBelkriver33 804 · February 8, 2019
Serial Number 13890987 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 29, 2018
Serial Number 13890762 was reported as accurate.
martinhamnett 8 · March 11, 2018
Serial Number 13890482 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 3, 2017
Serial Number 13890235 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 30, 2016
Serial Number 13890411 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: this one has the standard regulator, is not the
marine chronometer variety
marine chronometer variety
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Anonymous · September 24, 2012
Serial Number 13890127 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
Double Roller changed from Unknown to Yes
Anonymous · July 31, 2012
Serial Number 13890142 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: A Father Time but no winding indicator, not
mounted in gimbals with outer box and not free
sprung.
mounted in gimbals with outer box and not free
sprung.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes
