Pocket Watch Database

From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 334 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 334

Official RR Standard

Manufacturer: Elgin Question Mark
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois Question Mark
Movement Serial Number: 11858897 Question Mark
Grade: 334 Question Mark
Model: 11 Question Mark
Class: 121 Question Mark
Estimated Production Year: 1905 Question Mark
Run Quantity: 1,000 Question Mark
Grade/Model Run: 1 of 2 Question Mark
Grade/Model Total Production: 1,500 Question Mark
Grade/Model Unrealized Production: 500 Question Mark
Size: 18s Question Mark
Jewels: 21j Question Mark
Jewel Setting: Gold Settings (Screw-Set) Question Mark
Movement Configuration: Openface Question Mark
Movement Finish: Nickel Question Mark
Movement Inlay Color: Gilt Question Mark
Movement Setting: Lever Question Mark
Plate: Full Plate Question Mark
Double Roller: Yes Question Mark
Barrel: Going Question Mark
Train: Quick Question Mark
Regulator: Ball Question Mark
Pallet Jewel Material: Sapphire Question Mark
Adjusted: Yes Question Mark
Adjusted to Temperature: No Question Mark
Adjustment Tolerance: [30] DU/PU Reg. +/- 30 s/24hrs. Question Mark
Railroad Grade: Yes Question Mark
U.S. Patents: 565955, D26267, 77078, 347272 Question Mark
Movement Markings: Ball Watch Co.
Cleveland, O.
Official RR Standard
333
Double Roller
21 Jewels
Sapphire Pallets
Adjusted
Trade Mark
Patented No. 17.96.
Pat. Aug. 18.96.
Case: Various Question Mark
Run ID: 5144.334G1.18S2418.1811M5.O1621.L1676.21J135 Question Mark
Data Research: 1909 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Question Mark
Database Version: v52.428 Question Mark
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index:
Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
4.51 Question Mark
PWDB Relative Rarity Index:
Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
1.69 Question Mark
Share of Production:
Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration
0.003% Question Mark
Registry Population:
Scoped for This Run Only
19 (1.90%) Question Mark
Research Note: Recorded in original serial lists as Grade "Special." Marked "333" on Movement

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · October 11, 2024

Serial Number 11858379 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This movement is an Elgin Ball 333 and is marked
as such. It has the sapphire pallets, is 21J,

cjbrem Supporter 859 · August 25, 2024

Serial Number 11858626 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 4, 2024

Serial Number 11858823 was reported as accurate.

garydurie Supporter 29 · September 7, 2023

Serial Number 11858897 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Movement says 333
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-334). These have all been documented accordingly.

Anonymous · June 16, 2023

Serial Number 11858012 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 11, 2023

Serial Number 11858012 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · November 14, 2022

Serial Number 11858715 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · October 29, 2022

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

AbellWatch Supporter 8 · August 12, 2022

Serial Number 11858384 was reported as accurate.

Blicquer Supporter 90 · July 10, 2022

Serial Number 11858348 was reported as accurate.

hiyumash423 Supporter 3 · March 3, 2022

Serial Number 11858140 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Your info calls the movement 334 grade. The
movement is marked 333 grade. Serial # 11858140
Ball
Curator Response: Thanks for the report. These movements manufactured for Ball at the Elgin are marked "333" but recieved factory grade designations that differ from the markings (Grades 327-224). These have all been documented accordingly.

DaveReid 52 · August 7, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · July 11, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

DaveReid 52 · July 10, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

steve288 264 · June 7, 2021

Serial Number 11858197 was reported as accurate.

keywind 13 · April 14, 2021

Serial Number 11858470 was reported as accurate.

chuck1500 112 · January 19, 2021

Serial Number 11858912 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 27, 2020

Serial Number 11858867 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 27, 2020

Serial Number 11858313 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 15, 2019

Serial Number 11858939 was reported as accurate.

barberr1 67 · May 11, 2018

Serial Number 11858302 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 5, 2018

Serial Number 11858827 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Marked 21 jewels
Changes since this report was submitted:
Grade changed from 333 to 334
Jewels changed from 17j to 21j

Anonymous · January 24, 2018

Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 24, 2018

Serial Number 11858836 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 19, 2017

Serial Number 11858114 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 10, 2016

Serial Number 11858508 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 25, 2016

Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 25, 2016

Serial Number 11858092 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2015

Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 1, 2015

Serial Number 11858239 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 12, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: MODEL: 12; PLATE: FULL PLATE;
Changes since this report was submitted:
Plate changed from Unknown to Full

Anonymous · September 3, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 2, 2014

Serial Number 11858760 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Grade 333

hank123 8 · April 24, 2014

Serial Number 11858251 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: my example clearly mkd adjusted
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · January 2, 2014

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 6, 2013

Serial Number 11858249 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 9, 2013

Serial Number 11858931 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This is engraved Ball Watch Co., g334
(made by Elgin)
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

mudhead 13 · August 6, 2013

Serial Number 11858560 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 17, 2013

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 17, 2013

Serial Number 11858407 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 4, 2013

Serial Number 11858109 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · February 20, 2013

Serial Number 11858837 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Signed
Grade 333
Ball
Official Railroad Standard
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Elgin Grade 334 Pocket Watch